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Rhodes Says He Apologized to Cardona and Green Over Owens Episode

Summary: Cody Rhodes told Chelsea Green on his podcast, released Thursday, Nov. 12, that he had to apologize to her and Matt Cardona over his Kevin Owens episode. Green also named All In her second-best moment, behind SummerSlam.

WrestlingNews.com Staff · 4 min read

The quick version

  • Rhodes said on his podcast, with Chelsea Green as the guest: "I had to apologize to you and Matt over the Kevin one." Matt is Matt Cardona.
  • Rhodes said Cardona "brought it forward" when he later came on the show. Cardona said in July that the jokes about him left him "pissed."
  • Green named the 2018 indie show All In the second-best moment of her career, behind her SummerSlam title win.

Cody Rhodes said he had to apologize to Chelsea Green and Matt Cardona over Kevin Owens' appearance on his podcast. He said it on the episode of "What Do You Wanna Talk About?" with Green as his guest, which was released on Thursday, Nov. 12, 2026. Fightful reported the comments the same morning. We read iHeart's transcript of the episode for the passages quoted here. It is machine-made, and iHeart says its accuracy is not guaranteed. We did not hear the audio.

What Rhodes said

The two were talking about episodes of the show that never aired. Green said, "I remember the Kevin Owens one." Rhodes answered: "Of course you do. Because I had to apologize to you and Matt over the Kevin one." He said Cardona "brought it forward when he came on the podcast."

Green answered, "I love that." She and Rhodes then talked about Cardona. Rhodes asked how he is. "He's great," Green said. Cardona is rehabbing a torn triceps, per our Nov. 7 story. Fightful describes the tone of the exchange as light and jokey.

What the apology was about

Fightful says Owens was a guest on Rhodes' podcast in June 2025. Cardona's name came up. Owens joked that Cardona called himself the "King of the Indies" while constantly talking about returning to WWE. Cardona was not in WWE at the time. Per Fightful, he came back in December 2025.

Cardona answered the jokes himself in July. He told Chris Van Vliet, per a Fightful story from July 28: "Honestly, I was pissed!" He also said, "it wasn't malicious," and that he "did not appreciate that I didn't get a chance to come on and tell my version until I got re-signed." He said he was over it. We found no comment from Owens on Rhodes' apology.

Green on All In

Rhodes asked where her SummerSlam win ranks in her career. Green said it is number one, and that "a close second" is a show she and Rhodes were both on. Fightful says she named All In, the 2018 independent show Rhodes and the Young Bucks put on, as the second-best moment of her career. Green won the interim WWE Women's Championship at SummerSlam, per Wrestling Inc in our Road Dogg story. She lost it to Tiffany Stratton's cash-in at Crown Jewel on Nov. 7, per our cash-in story.

Fightful lists her All In match as Tessa Blanchard against Dr. Britt Baker, Green and Madison Rayne. Rhodes called All In "an indie show that was made by us, for them. Fans for fans," per Fightful. He told Green she was "the first person who came to me and asked me what I wanted" for the show, and that "then the floodgates kind of opened."

Green said she still has her plan for the match in the notes app on her phone. She wrote it on the way to the show, she said, and pitched the other women on a match of around "12 minute" length. She does not think they changed any of it. "That was a pretty good second to SummerSlam," she said.

What is not known

  • Whether Owens has responded. We found nothing from him.
  • Whether anything else on the episode concerns WWE business. We read the passages on Owens, Cardona and All In, not the full 1 hour, 46 minute episode.
  • When the episode was recorded. Rhodes says at the start that he and Green had taped the episode once before, and that the first recording was never seen.
How we know

Source: Rhodes' and Green's own words on "What Do You Wanna Talk About?", read in iHeart's auto-generated transcript for the passages on Owens, Cardona and All In, and as printed by Fightful (Jeremy Lambert). Where the two differ in small words, we quote only the wording both carry. The Owens episode date, the "King of the Indies" joke, Cardona's return month and the All In match line-up are Fightful's account, which we did not check against the old episode. Cardona's July quotes are from Fightful's July 28 story. We did not hear the audio and did not contact WWE, Rhodes, Green, Cardona or Owens. Nothing in this story is a rumor.

Cody RhodesChelsea GreenMatt CardonaKevin OwensAll In

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